foreverborderline Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Joshua,A.J Mahari,Rachel Reiland, and others who have claimed to have fully recovered from BPD are really lying I believe. NOBODY recovers from BPD, sure people may get better but I do not believe that people who are as bad as those of us get with BPD really get over the disorder and it goes away. It is like having a pile of cords that get so tangled that you can never unravel them, you start to make progress and people just tangle more cords in the pile , it is never ending. I do not feel anyone ever fully recovers from BPD and it makes me angry when people claim to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyChain Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 forget it, Im not getting into this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverborderline Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 LOL Daisy. It is just a friendly debate, nothing to "get into" . Just my opinion that NOBODY ever recovers from BPD and in my opinion those that claim to may be pulling our leg some. Just like Alcoholics always are "recovering" and not EVER fully recovered. If you are not getting into it why respond at all ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hi Wow an interesting topic. Firstly me being full of bull shit! oh how offensive lol. I think here we need to ask our selves whats recovered?. If its not wanting to kill your self every day, harm yourself, or if its being able to function in relationships, if its not feeling that darkness in the very core of you, then yes id say i recovered. This will mean different things to different people. The other thing is i can now work and accept what comes with that work both ups and downs and have done for a few years now. For instance when people no longer meet the full 5 minimum criteria of BPD they can be classed as recovered but do they feel recovered thats another thing.... I dont know if its fair to call someone a bull shitter when they truly believe they have come through the other end of something. It wasnt easy, it wasnt painless but it is so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyclaws Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think people recover more from bpd than bi polar. Like druggies or drinkers or smokers though I think if things get bad in life they can go back. So they aren't like people who never had bpd they are recovered bpd patients. Coz bpd can get better with age a lot of people won't meet the criteria for bpd 10 years after diagnosis anyway and doctors say that often. Bpd might becomse depression and with meds be controlled. I do think people recover though. Kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctuary Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Foreverborderline your name says it all. I hope people don't get angry at you although saying people who have recovered are 'bullshitters' is really rather harsh and could easily provoke strong responses. I've been in therapy for 3 years now and I can definately say my feelings about recovery have fluctuated wildly in that time. I would rather believe that recovery is possible rather than the alternative however I am open to ANY view which is progressive and hopeful. Whatever you think about recovery, it doesn't take away the fact that there are people working tirelessly day in day out to manage their tumultuous emotions and live a better life. It is this constant striving for a more peaceful and balanced life that makes me hopeful I can learn to manage my emotions so that they do not take over complete control of my life. You really are biting the hand that is trying to feed here by saying Joshua is a bullshitter. What is extremely clear is that he has gone out of his way to allow people with BPD the VERY BEST CHANCE at any kind of recovery. You really can't take that away from him. I feel sorry you think recovery is impossible but like everything, it takes commitment and time. You can't judge people on their ability to recover just by their diagnosis. It takes a strong person to overcome the powerful emotions involved in BPD every day life. Perhaps you are feeling weak now. But who's to say you will not surpass all previous attempts at getting better. You have to stay positive and open to the possibility that your view is perhaps a self fulfilling prophecy itself. Dig deep.... you will find your answers within yourself... not from other people so dont be too harsh on others. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Data Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think foreverborderline is in a lot of emotional pain and is obviously full of despair. He is very pessimistic about his future. I empathise with those feelings, since I have had them myself many times. However, it is unfair to suggest that Joshua and the others are liars. I believe Joshua is an honest man (although an annoying smart arse at times lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roses Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_model I find this discussion distasteful and disrespectful. Foreverborderline may be in a lot of genuine pain, but that is irrelevant right now. What is relevant is he/she is the bullshitter and obviously a not very well read individual. I apologise for my curtness but I want to spend as little of my time as possible on this waste of time discussion. I am only saying this much in the hope of helping the people who have read this. Recovery in mental health is a personal and therefore individual journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyclaws Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_model I find this discussion distasteful and disrespectful. Foreverborderline may be in a lot of genuine pain, but that is irrelevant right now. What is relevant is he/she is the bullshitter and obviously a not very well read individual. I apologise for my curtness but I want to spend as little of my time as possible on this waste of time discussion. I am only saying this much in the hope of helping the people who have read this. Recovery in mental health is a personal and therefore individual journey. I don't get this who is the bullshitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntarded Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 May I step in here. I was discharged from a bpd specialist/psychiatrist in Northern Ireland, after seeing him for many years, and very luckily having targeted specialist MH services which lasted 3 years and aftera further 3 months off MH meds I was told I no longer have BPD. From a clinical point of view, I no longer meet the requirement of BPD. Foreverborderline, I have spoke to you many times over the years and am aware of the deepest struggles you have had and the let downs you have faced from the MH community, but to say that those that claim recovery of BPD are bullshitters, negates the years and years of hard work that some people have invested to getting their condition under control. To me, although not said to anyone on the board, I have worked very hard, and I did not ask nor request for the BPD tag to be removed. Much like my other physical health problems, say asthma, I will always be an asthmatic, but in my teenage years I saw years where it had no bearing upon me whatsoever...it never went away, symptoms sometimes present themselves, but they were easily managed. BPD, like all other illnesses (imo) are the same, I can see a day where everyone on this forum, has a chance to get recovered (large part depends on luck of good MH services, which I know a lot of people here do not get which is unfair). I have never had a SH or suicidial thought anymore since last year, but I do feel it when my head wants me to be impulsive in spending, but I am in a position to counteract those impulses with theraputic tecnhqiues I learned in therapy 2 years ago. Practicising daily every technique I have been taught, working hard to keep myself recovered is a daily routine (much like daily fitness routines people do). It is continuous work, and though I respect your opinion, I too have the opinion that everyone can recover and for those that have...fair play to them! It is not for you to determine if they previous had bpd or if they are bullshitting...I've worked tremendously hard to get to this place I am at, and will not allow you to attempt to vilify or take away from what has been, and continues to be, a constant workout I do to be recovered. Good luck to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starryeyesee Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I agree with guntarded. it is important to practice. for me this is all the time. I n the last year i have gone from 5 pills a day to 2. i haven't self harmed in a year and i am no longer suicidal. butv i have gone for this way with lots of concentration. the thoughts are still there but i battle with them. i am determined to have a better life. it is this determination that will help me one day to be at peace with myself. i hope. I am not a bullshitter. i am becoming more happy with myself. starry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummm_mabbe Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hopelessness is its own reward. Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctuary Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Ross that has to be the shortest reply I have ever seen from you!!!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Data Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hopelessness is its own reward. Ross Some people would interpret that to mean that you are saying that some people don't want to get better. Are you blaming people for their own mental health problems? Some people feel hopeless because nobody ever makes a genuine effort to understand and help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyP Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 data what the hell you know thats not what hes saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummm_mabbe Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hopelessness is its own reward. Ross Some people would interpret that to mean that you are saying that some people don't want to get better. Are you blaming people for their own mental health problems? Some people feel hopeless because nobody ever makes a genuine effort to understand and help them. I can see how such a short reply could be misinterpreted, but its not what I meant at all. You are a person who is trying very hard to get better, and is facing their problems. You know what setbacks feel like, you know what its like to be not heard or dismissed despite trying hard. You know that the momentary sense of being helpless, as the result of setbacks, is very different to giving up completely and angrily demanding the world prove to you that recovery is possible, as is happening in this thread. You feel hopeless at times, yet you carry on trying. If you gave up, then there would be no possibility of change at all - especially if it becomes a point of honour to 'prove' that recovery is impossible. You would be cutting your nose off to spite your face, and this is what I meant. So perhaps my (rare) one-line reply should have read "angrily giving into a sense of hopelessness is a self-fulfilling prophecy". Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntarded Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 So perhaps my (rare) one-line reply should have read "angrily giving into a sense of hopelessness is a self-fulfilling prophecy". Ross This is actually what I was about to write to give further explanation. Data you are an intelligent man, as I have said on more than one occasion to you, surely if you step back, see the post and the poster (because people universally know that Ross is not someone that writes in anticipation of causing hurt or harm), then you should come to the right conclusion without writing something completely off track. Come on man, your intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctuary Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 see data's back to his old tricks again!!! Pretending he doesn't have a clue in that noddle of his. Funny. Data - get a life man. Away from everyone here. You are a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummm_mabbe Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Its all good guys, I can see where data was coming from and things can always be heard multiple ways. If my views are still offensive to him or others as-phrased, I dont mean them to be, but folks are free to feel whatever they feel. Better to get it out, at least then I stand a chance of clarifying myself! Appreciate the support and compliments of course Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyP Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 ross no one on this planet would ever think you would say summat offensive chick, thats why its obvious data is stirring trouble x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntarded Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 But to be on topic, foreverborderline, I hope you read some of the things said here, and really think about them, reflect upon them. To be in such a state of hopelessness that there is NO recovery from it, is such a pitiable condition, and it makes me sad you feel this way. You have to have some hope man that there must be a light somewhere in the dark tunnel, else theres no point anymore in trying to get out. Please think carefully about what people have said here, its not to hurt you, but to help...that I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctuary Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 agree entirely with amyp above^^^^^^ (run out of points allocation god dammit!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Data Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I felt hurt by ross's post. I now realise I misinterpreted it. Thanks for the reassuring clarification, Ross. There was no need for other people to step in and shit-stir here. I find it ironic that they accuse me of causing trouble when they could have just kept their mouth shut and waited for Ross to reply. Its becuase, really its not about what Ross or I are saying. Its all about sticking the knife in, isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctuary Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 No data, it is your problem. Not 'the others'. When u have grasped that fundamental truth, people will respond accordingly. You have your fan club here... don't worry my dear they will protect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyP Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 ah sanc ive ran out of points so cant up you either!! god damnit! i agree with your last post. in fact i can hear the fan club running *puts hand to ear* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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