Data Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 The regulation of hypnotherapists in the UK is so lax that even a cat can become accredited, the BBC has found. Chris Jackson, presenter of Inside Out in the North East and Cumbria, registered pet George with three industry bodies. Each one accepted a certificate from the non-existent Society of Certified Advanced Mind Therapists as proof of George's credentials. It follows a similar investigation by an American clinical psychologist. Dr Steve Eichel suspected industry bodies in the US were not running checks on their members. He said: "I felt I'd test my hypothesis and I did that by getting my cat certified by a number of the most prominent lay hypnosis organisations in the United States. It was a frighteningly simple process.". In the UK, George was registered with the British Board of Neuro Linguistic Programming (BBNLP), the United Fellowship of Hypnotherapists (UFH) and the Professional Hypnotherapy Practitioner Association (PHPA). The UFH welcomed the Inside Out investigation and admitted the mistake, which it said has since been corrected. A PHPA spokesman said the organisation makes great effort to ensure every applicant is a fully-qualified hypnotherapist. The BBNLP said it exists only to provide benefits to its members, not to check or certify credentials. Source: http://news.bbc.co.u...and/8303126.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummm_mabbe Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Lol oopsie Ive had hypno, and can belive that what you've written is true Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth24 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 The cat could be good at his job! lets not judge here people seriously though, that is terrible. i don't trust hypnotherapy anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 thats so ace!! i think i'll get my kitten resitered too, i find his purring hypnotic. not v surprising though, im not a big fab of hypno, it can be v v dangerous in the wrong hands, but useful if with someone who is specially trained to associate the emotions with the memorys. anyone looking for any kind of t should super research the person first, credentials and qualifictaions and registrations mean bugger all mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth24 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 thats so ace!! i think i'll get my kitten resitered too, i find his purring hypnotic. not v surprising though, im not a big fab of hypno, it can be v v dangerous in the wrong hands, but useful if with someone who is specially trained to associate the emotions with the memorys. anyone looking for any kind of t should super research the person first, credentials and qualifictaions and registrations mean bugger all mostly I agree hypnotherapy is dangerous. it can create false memories of abuse that never happened... a purring cat is very hypnotic...can i borrow yours? i only have dogs. dogs are better at psychotherapy than hypnotherapy. wonder if i can get registered...They are more usueful than the therapist i had!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryad Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 This does not surprise me in the least. Not that I'm cynical or anything. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Data Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 This article really worried me because I expect there are some quite 'mickey mouse' hypnotherapists out there, and people will get sucked in to believing they are competent. I understand your reservations about hypnotherapy, Ruth. My opinion is that it might be valid as a therapy but only in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. So, as Roxy says, I would want to check out the credentials of the therapist very carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 theres actually no way of creating false memorys, thats not how memorys work. false memory syndrom is a totally made up thing by a bunch of parents who didnt like that their children accused them of s/a, and its not acceoted by any of the experts in this field and not in any of the dsm. memorys arent ever actually lost, they are all there in our heads the exact way we experienced things, the reason we forget is cause they get stored in different parts of the brains depending on what type of expeirnec it was, and there are oftena ton of different barriers to accessing them, like fear for example. whata hypnotherapist could do it access something far too quickly, and not support the person well enough to connect it all up and associate the feelings, which leaves the person at risk of the feelings flooding them at a later date, which is crippeling, there is after all a very good reason why we dont remember somethings, and a reason why they often only come back once we are much older and safe and secure. or they could access a memory fragment, and interpret it wrongly for the person, thatd be the nearest to creating false memorys they could get, and they should never manipulate a persons experience like this. there is such a thing as implanted memorys but that is something that is done to children to cover up abuse, and takes considerabley more than hypnotherapy (although that can often be used too, as it was for me). often people focus on the 'nicest' memorys and will say that their childhood was perfect etc to avoid facing the reality, this is the illusion many cling to. hyponotherapy can be useful to an extent, personally id stay away, but its v like emdr, and can be v retruamatising in the hands of someone who isnt very highly skilled at supporting someones emotions, but useful with someone who can instinctively interpret and adapt themselves to go beyond the transferences and be someone who is highly valdating for the person. i have a compulsive research habit at the best of times but googled the t im seeing now like ten times before i agreed to meet him, and read all his research and books etc. just cause someones qualified and experienced doesnt mean they have the right approach for you. i also got recommendations for him from international society for dissociuative studys and a ton of truama specialists too, and asked his opinion on a ton of experts iv read too, and he knew them all, and i was comfortable of his opinions of them too so that helped. and this is only for short term to to get the fbs managable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth24 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 theres actually no way of creating false memorys, thats not how memorys work. false memory syndrom is a totally made up thing by a bunch of parents who didnt like that their children accused them of s/a, and its not acceoted by any of the experts in this field and not in any of the dsm. memorys arent ever actually lost, they are all there in our heads the exact way we experienced things, the reason we forget is cause they get stored in different parts of the brains depending on what type of expeirnec it was, and there are oftena ton of different barriers to accessing them, like fear for example. whata hypnotherapist could do it access something far too quickly, and not support the person well enough to connect it all up and associate the feelings, which leaves the person at risk of the feelings flooding them at a later date, which is crippeling, there is after all a very good reason why we dont remember somethings, and a reason why they often only come back once we are much older and safe and secure. or they could access a memory fragment, and interpret it wrongly for the person, thatd be the nearest to creating false memorys they could get, and they should never manipulate a persons experience like this. there is such a thing as implanted memorys but that is something that is done to children to cover up abuse, and takes considerabley more than hypnotherapy (although that can often be used too, as it was for me). often people focus on the 'nicest' memorys and will say that their childhood was perfect etc to avoid facing the reality, this is the illusion many cling to. hyponotherapy can be useful to an extent, personally id stay away, but its v like emdr, and can be v retruamatising in the hands of someone who isnt very highly skilled at supporting someones emotions, but useful with someone who can instinctively interpret and adapt themselves to go beyond the transferences and be someone who is highly valdating for the person. i have a compulsive research habit at the best of times but googled the t im seeing now like ten times before i agreed to meet him, and read all his research and books etc. just cause someones qualified and experienced doesnt mean they have the right approach for you. i also got recommendations for him from international society for dissociuative studys and a ton of truama specialists too, and asked his opinion on a ton of experts iv read too, and he knew them all, and i was comfortable of his opinions of them too so that helped. and this is only for short term to to get the fbs managable! I disagree. A false memory can be created. If a tiny fragment of memory is restored, in order to make sense of it the brain will use imagination to fill in the missing pieces. It is called confabulation. A friend of mine had hypnotherapy at uni because she had dreams about her father abusing her. He was a drunken physical abuser. Under the influesnce of hypnotherapy a flood of child sexual abuse was discovered. Even now she is confused as to whether it is real or not. She regrets having the therapy. I had a dream i was being abused by my father but i know for sure that my father never sexually abused me. The brain is a curious thing and hypnotherapy used to recover memories is definately a dangerous thing. there is no real science behind it. If it works to help you fbs thats great. You know for sure you were abused and i am pleased it helps you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roses Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I haven't read all this thread as it's long and complicated, but hypnotherapy is a heightened sense of awareness and so it is highyl probably that your friend's memories are real memories, but her hypnotherapist did not control the situation very well and the feelings and thoughts flooded your friends mind. In order to get people to 'forget' or do things apparently against their will involves programming to a specific trigger word or something and it is hightly unlikely that a common or garden hypnotherapist could do that. Just an opinion. The mind is a complex thing and things do go wrong. Sensory overload is a risk of hypnotherapy, if you go digging around in there who knows what is going to come up. I have had hypnotherapy. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth24 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Yes, i think my friend went to a bad hypnotherapist. If hypnotherapy helps some people then that is great. I just want some people to be aware of the dangers. It is important to make sure your hypnotherapist is a good one. Maybe SANE or other mental health organisations have a list of good ones in your local area. I know i have a lot of traits of a s/a sufferer. i hate my genitalia, menstruation, I have no respect for my body and let men use me-because all i'm good for is sex and it is a way of getting people to like me. It took me years to get any pleasure from sex and i am still uncomfortable with it. I hate having internal exams, i shake and cry. i had all this prior to my rape. i even have dreams of a man i don't know abusing me. I have this hideous idea that if i went to a hypnotherapist they would discover that i was sexually abused even though i know i wasn't. I feel it may bring forward false memories to explain my thoughts. i know i wasn't sexually abused. I would know, my family would know. But i'm really glad it helps some people xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roses Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sorry Ruthie that you have all these feelings. I can understand your fears with hypnotherapy. For me, it was great for the PTSD I was suffering after a couple of car crashes, and it helped a bit with sleep. But when I tried to access the bits of my memory that at had blacked out as a child I just kept waking up. The lady said it was because the memories are lost for a damn good reason and my body and mind were telling me it would be destructive/negative to unearth them. I would tend to agree cos I can only guess how horrible they were. Guess my mind was looking out for me for a change. xxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth24 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 The mind is an incredible thing. One minute tried to destroy us, the next minute it tries to protect us. I have no idea why i have these feelings, i guess I'm just weird Its probably a combination of many things...I developed a lot later than the other girls at school. Was told i was frigid by my first boyfriend...just wee things like that. nothing as severe as s/a. I guess some things are best left forgotten. I'm so sorry you had to go through what you did xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roses Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 *big hug with my mate Ruthie* We got each other, I'm sure it'll all work out xxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth24 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 *big hug with my mate Ruthie* We got each other, I'm sure it'll all work out xxxxx *big hug with my mate rosie* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 theres actually no way of creating false memorys, thats not how memorys work. false memory syndrom is a totally made up thing by a bunch of parents who didnt like that their children accused them of s/a, and its not acceoted by any of the experts in this field and not in any of the dsm. memorys arent ever actually lost, they are all there in our heads the exact way we experienced things, the reason we forget is cause they get stored in different parts of the brains depending on what type of expeirnec it was, and there are oftena ton of different barriers to accessing them, like fear for example. whata hypnotherapist could do it access something far too quickly, and not support the person well enough to connect it all up and associate the feelings, which leaves the person at risk of the feelings flooding them at a later date, which is crippeling, there is after all a very good reason why we dont remember somethings, and a reason why they often only come back once we are much older and safe and secure. or they could access a memory fragment, and interpret it wrongly for the person, thatd be the nearest to creating false memorys they could get, and they should never manipulate a persons experience like this. there is such a thing as implanted memorys but that is something that is done to children to cover up abuse, and takes considerabley more than hypnotherapy (although that can often be used too, as it was for me). often people focus on the 'nicest' memorys and will say that their childhood was perfect etc to avoid facing the reality, this is the illusion many cling to. hyponotherapy can be useful to an extent, personally id stay away, but its v like emdr, and can be v retruamatising in the hands of someone who isnt very highly skilled at supporting someones emotions, but useful with someone who can instinctively interpret and adapt themselves to go beyond the transferences and be someone who is highly valdating for the person. i have a compulsive research habit at the best of times but googled the t im seeing now like ten times before i agreed to meet him, and read all his research and books etc. just cause someones qualified and experienced doesnt mean they have the right approach for you. i also got recommendations for him from international society for dissociuative studys and a ton of truama specialists too, and asked his opinion on a ton of experts iv read too, and he knew them all, and i was comfortable of his opinions of them too so that helped. and this is only for short term to to get the fbs managable! I disagree. A false memory can be created. If a tiny fragment of memory is restored, in order to make sense of it the brain will use imagination to fill in the missing pieces. It is called confabulation. A friend of mine had hypnotherapy at uni because she had dreams about her father abusing her. He was a drunken physical abuser. Under the influesnce of hypnotherapy a flood of child sexual abuse was discovered. Even now she is confused as to whether it is real or not. She regrets having the therapy. I had a dream i was being abused by my father but i know for sure that my father never sexually abused me. The brain is a curious thing and hypnotherapy used to recover memories is definately a dangerous thing. there is no real science behind it. If it works to help you fbs thats great. You know for sure you were abused and i am pleased it helps you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx i dont have hypnotherapy i never said i did false memory syndrom is entirely discredited by all the experts on child truama, and time and time again the medical professionals hav refused to put it in the dsm as they do not believe there is any credible evidence whatsoever. the likes of judith herman is on the record as stating it does not exist (harvard psychology professon and world renouned truama expert) as is bruce perry (child truama expert and nuero sceientist). all of teh evidenced based research has prooved time and time again that false memory syndron does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth24 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 theres actually no way of creating false memorys, thats not how memorys work. false memory syndrom is a totally made up thing by a bunch of parents who didnt like that their children accused them of s/a, and its not acceoted by any of the experts in this field and not in any of the dsm. memorys arent ever actually lost, they are all there in our heads the exact way we experienced things, the reason we forget is cause they get stored in different parts of the brains depending on what type of expeirnec it was, and there are oftena ton of different barriers to accessing them, like fear for example. whata hypnotherapist could do it access something far too quickly, and not support the person well enough to connect it all up and associate the feelings, which leaves the person at risk of the feelings flooding them at a later date, which is crippeling, there is after all a very good reason why we dont remember somethings, and a reason why they often only come back once we are much older and safe and secure. or they could access a memory fragment, and interpret it wrongly for the person, thatd be the nearest to creating false memorys they could get, and they should never manipulate a persons experience like this. there is such a thing as implanted memorys but that is something that is done to children to cover up abuse, and takes considerabley more than hypnotherapy (although that can often be used too, as it was for me). often people focus on the 'nicest' memorys and will say that their childhood was perfect etc to avoid facing the reality, this is the illusion many cling to. hyponotherapy can be useful to an extent, personally id stay away, but its v like emdr, and can be v retruamatising in the hands of someone who isnt very highly skilled at supporting someones emotions, but useful with someone who can instinctively interpret and adapt themselves to go beyond the transferences and be someone who is highly valdating for the person. i have a compulsive research habit at the best of times but googled the t im seeing now like ten times before i agreed to meet him, and read all his research and books etc. just cause someones qualified and experienced doesnt mean they have the right approach for you. i also got recommendations for him from international society for dissociuative studys and a ton of truama specialists too, and asked his opinion on a ton of experts iv read too, and he knew them all, and i was comfortable of his opinions of them too so that helped. and this is only for short term to to get the fbs managable! I disagree. A false memory can be created. If a tiny fragment of memory is restored, in order to make sense of it the brain will use imagination to fill in the missing pieces. It is called confabulation. A friend of mine had hypnotherapy at uni because she had dreams about her father abusing her. He was a drunken physical abuser. Under the influesnce of hypnotherapy a flood of child sexual abuse was discovered. Even now she is confused as to whether it is real or not. She regrets having the therapy. I had a dream i was being abused by my father but i know for sure that my father never sexually abused me. The brain is a curious thing and hypnotherapy used to recover memories is definately a dangerous thing. there is no real science behind it. If it works to help you fbs thats great. You know for sure you were abused and i am pleased it helps you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx i dont have hypnotherapy i never said i did false memory syndrom is entirely discredited by all the experts on child truama, and time and time again the medical professionals hav refused to put it in the dsm as they do not believe there is any credible evidence whatsoever. the likes of judith herman is on the record as stating it does not exist (harvard psychology professon and world renouned truama expert) as is bruce perry (child truama expert and nuero sceientist). all of teh evidenced based research has prooved time and time again that false memory syndron does not exist. I'm not going to spend the next week on the internet to try and get evidence for or against. lets just agree to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharingbody Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 but maybe you can find half an hour to read this and see if you still 'believe' in fms. http://web.archive.o.../antiTRMP1.html there is a very good book, called 'unchained memories', by leonore terr (a great expert of memory). she discuss also a case of an entire false memory. you might find that interesting. its true that not all the memories are accurate. this doesnt mean that they are false. the confabulation thing is true as well. this deosnt imply that 'recovered' memories are false. that those who have them are 'sufferers' of a syndrome. that hypnotherapists/therapists are knowingly implanting false memories of abuse or that all the people who have delayed unset ptsd (that's it, suddenly you start to have flashbacks and memories of a traumatic experience (read:abuse as well, of course) without prior recall of them) are liars. that's what fms foundation claims. they instead are supportive to parents accused of abuse by their sons and daughters. what they actually do is to provide 'experts' to testify to court that people accusing their parents of sexual abuse are lying and parents are actually the 'victims' (and they arrive to sue therapists for the damage done to them). to do so they needed a theory to back them up. that's all what's about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 thank you for the ace article : ) for anyone reading, supporting fms mean discrediting and silencing victims, if there was any credibility to fms whatsoever itd be in the dsm, or atleast though of as credible by the experts, and look at the many experts who speak up against it, and whose research prooves why memorys work the way they do, and its not just like its one type of expert, its nueroscientists, psychologists, pyshciatrists, etc etc etc, just look at the truama pages infos pls dont allow silly uncredible disprooved theorys to silence more victims, it is already far too hard for victims to have a voice, we do not need more denial and blindness as that just allows the peados free reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 the hypothisis that false memorys can be implanted during therapy that was put forward by lindsay and read 1994, loftus 1993, loftus 1994, ofshe and watters 1993,94, and yapko 1994 were assumptions based on NO studies. this was all widly discredited and discarded by the pyschiatric community. memory, truama treatment and the law, which was based on 43 different studies, prooves that false memory syndrom does not exist. this work won the american psychiatric associations 1999 prestigous award for best book in law and forensic pyschiatry, and is used as expert evidence within legal proceedings of this type. see also work by experts schetlin, whitfield,silberg, fink, dallan, brown, cheits, pezdek, finges, hogde, leavitt, or british experts andrew, martin,bekerian,daris,graham, mallan or look up www.jimhooper.com/memorydecision www.brown.edu/Departments/Tauban_Centre/Recovmem/indexhtml plus its important to note the loftus (all for fms) was hugely discredited, had many allegations put in against her methods, resigned, was sued. loftus and the freyds, who came up with fms when theyr d accused them of s/a, and their supporters have links with many peado associations including NAMBL and PADIKA. unlike the d of the fredys who is a well known psychologist and memory expert, widely accepted and believed. also the cases that the fms supporters claim inlcude fms were investigated by harvards Leo and Ofshe and found that in the vast majority of cases there was no evidence whatsoever to suggest taht the accounts were implanted and that the convinctiosn should be upheld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharingbody Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 whoa that's amazing, roxy!!!! thank you, you lovely warrior sb xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibiddi Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I dont know much about false memories, so I looked at the American Psychiatric Association, as I believe them to be reputable. I dont think the answer is black and white. Some memories do seem to be altered by other people. They do mention more research is required. But They also mention something along the lines of what is talked about in therapy doesnt need to be true or false, its how it affects you now which is the important bit, and is the focus of the therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 whoa that's amazing, roxy!!!! thank you, you lovely warrior sb xxxx like you said, should say jim hopper, oopsy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 its also important to note that there is a huge gender bias with regards to memorys. when make war veterns came back having forgotton then recovered traumatic events it was entirely accepted, the validity of what the recounted was never questioned, despite the fact that it would certainly been atleast in americas interest to deny these facts, also when makes started to come forward and recount that they had been abused at the hands of priests they were also similarly unquestioned by the general public. when women came forward suddenly the credibility of their memories were called into question. its is ofcourse the parents of a girl who invented fms. it is so much easier to put a womans accounts down as hyteria and yet accept a mans word. the is no benefit to anyone speaking up about abuse, generally they are disbelived, discredited, judged, and isolated by doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxy222 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 theres also an 2001 essay by jennifer fryd and other experts that states that fms has not been accepted as a real syndrom by any pyschiatric or psychologiocal association ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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